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The GOP and California

The GOP has a Hispanic voter problem. This is no secret.

A lot of hand wringing has been done over the poor showing of the Republican Party in California for the last few election cycles. The Republican Party has become regional in nature. Rural counties remain red but denser population areas vary in their shades of blue. Orange County is destined to become purple very, very soon. Some parts are already Democratic Party strongholds.

The GOP has a Hispanic voter problem. This is no secret. However, the local GOP apparatus has been slow to recognize this problem exists in Orange County as well. The "OC" will eventually become a Hispanic majority county. Yet, no substantive outreach is being done with this important segment of the vote.

The donor segment of the GOP has, at times, funded Latino candidates. But only in Latino neighborhoods. This fails to recognize that virtually every neighborhood in the county has Latino voters. A subtle racism exists when political organizations believe ethnic voters only exists in enclaves.

The GOP's road back to relevance starts with the Hispanic vote. The worst thing it can do  is to tell potential candidates to "wait their turn" or suggest they should run in Santa Ana. Only a proactive candidate recruitment and support effort will turn things around. 

Political parties and their popularity are cyclical. Republicans were on the outs following the Watergate Scandal in the 70s. The future of the Republican Party in California rests with the rising Hispanic vote. But will it take the "camino" less traveled?

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MFriedrich November 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM
I find it ironic, but in Mexico, for example, the conservatives there are pro-Vatican, pro-Catholic values (anti-abortion, pro Catholic dogma in education, veiled anti-protestantism, and dare I say anti-intellectualism.) Against this background, with millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico coming into the country, the question is why wouldn't modern day, pro-Christian Republicans immediately tap into that resevoir of voters and embrace that block? The answer: Republicans overlooked this aspect to focus on race, language, anchorbabies (an obvious consequence of the Constitution as it was written) and drug cartel violence. It's not too late to court them, but it may be some time before they decide to buy whatever it is Republicans are selling.
Andromeda November 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM
Ken, it's folks like you who are turning politics into a racial competition when it shouldn't be. Out of one side of your mouths you cry for a color blind society and then from the other you demand greater hispanic representation in the GOP. I think your time would be much better spent in Santa Ana and other primarily hispanic communities where hispanics are killing other hispanics in inordinate numbers. Is that the GOP's fault too? Attack gang violence and 50% graduation rates at hispanic majority high schools and after you solve those problems - then attack the GOP.
Tymmetry November 24, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Andromeda acts as though government is the answer to everything. She obviously leans to the left. Now to her point "it's folks like you who are turning politics into a racial competition when it shouldn't be." She can't seriously believe that it isn't already. That's quite naive. Were you in the country on November 6th? Ken, is talking about inclusion and you're condemning him for it? It's funny to me that you point your finger at him for bringing up the issue, but then tell him that he should be doing more of it! How about thinking a little more before you type?
Andromeda November 25, 2012 at 05:51 AM
Tymmetry, you must be seeing things. Nowhere did I say that government is the answer. In fact, I said the opposite. I merely told Ken that the hispanic community should solve the obvious problems within their own communities before attacking political parties for not bending to hispanic demands. They should solve their own problems WITHOUT the government. But the problem is they want MORE government, not less. People seem to claim that they want: A color blind society. But from the other sides of their mouths they want power distributed based on race, particularly to their race. I all ask if for people to be honest. Instead of claiming you want a color blind society - just claim that you want your particular ethnicity to have more power in society. But you can't have both. They contradict one another. So pick one and only one. That's all I ask. And I think that's a reasonable request. :^)
Shripathi Kamath November 25, 2012 at 06:00 AM
http://www.salon.com/2012/11/23/roves_plan_wont_work_dont_count_on_latino_social_conservatism/
John Webb November 25, 2012 at 03:56 PM
I believe it is the delivery of the Republican message. Our message is strong family values, small non intrusive government and equal opportunity to reach your individual dreams. It has nothing to do with color, religious preferences or where you live. People did not flee their native countries for America, to find it has the same restrictions of opportunity as the country they left.. We Republicans need to stand by our message. Let the other team continue to talk of division, preferences and government programs. Let the other team try to build divisions within our society. The history of the Republican party is inclusion and opportunity. There is a reason Socialist countries fail and those same reasons will lead to the fall of the New Democratic Party. Republicans are on the right side of freedom, famlies and opportunity. This is not a time to panic, this is a time to tell our story and be proud of it.
Shripathi Kamath November 25, 2012 at 06:52 PM
Yes, and that above is a perfect example of that delivery. The arrogance that only one party cares, assuming that it does in the first place, about family values, or equal opportunity, or that the massive expansion of government over the last thirty years was all done by the other guys. "The history of the Republican party is inclusion and opportunity." Yes, in the 1860s it was. In the 1960s, it was too, but not in the Southern states, and it has not been since. http://bit.ly/pmGzje It has been particularly exclusionary in California where they have driven themselves into irrelevance. The hunt for heretics is on, and it is not stopping till the party implodes. In that, Mr. Webb, I think the Democrats would welcome the GOP doubling down on their current strategy. Whatever that may be. Ken (the author) at least recognizes this, his only complaint seems to be a personal one. The problem Ken, is not of running Lopezes as GOP candidates in Lake Forest, it is one of the GOP also running *for* the Lopezes as they do for the Webbs. Policy, not 'demographics'. George the Younger did fine with that demographic in 2004 which remains the only presidential election in the last six where the GOP won the popular vote. For starters, one can try not bringing up "Hispanics" with "illegals" in every context as if they were synonyms.
Andromeda November 25, 2012 at 07:00 PM
The real problem is that the GOP is generally against giving people free stuff. The GOP favors people actually working for their food, housing, medical care, etc... The Democrats favor forcing the productive to foot the costs for the unproductive. In the short term, the Dems will win because people like free stuff and they will vote for people who give them free stuff. That is why California has a Dem supermajority now. But in the long run the Dems will lose because the free stuff lasts only so long before it runs out. The Dems are chasing productive citizens from California and replacing them with those who live off others. This is obvious. And it won't end well. You can't operate a state full of 'free cheese' people. Trust me on that. BTW, I am neither a Dem or a Republican. I only tell you the truth.
Shripathi Kamath November 25, 2012 at 07:59 PM
...and that above is another good example of that delivery, Mr. Webb. I think the Democrats will be delighted if that is what the California GOP chooses for its pitch for all elections from now. It worked so well in California in 2012.
Andromeda November 26, 2012 at 02:16 AM
Those pesky facts are that California has 12% of the collective nation's population and 33% of the nation's welfare recipients. That's a complete failed formula going forward especially when the democrats are attacting more parasites and chasing away productive citizens. And now with a supermajority in Sacramento they are going to run California right off the fiscal cliff. Facts are pesky things - they don't go away even if you ignore them. :^)
Shripathi Kamath November 26, 2012 at 08:31 AM
The first most people learned of this stat was when? When Moonbeam took first steps to reform welfare. Yes he did, you can look it up http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/28/welfare-capital-of-the-us/ Which means you can now call Schwarzenegger a RINO, for Moonbeam did what the GOP governor could not with the same dem legislature. [I told you about the hunt for heretics] We could look at what caused this, but nah, do go on with the GOP pitch, it is working already. I only wish people were REALLY leaving like you said, because then they can move to states like Idaho, Texas, or one of those other ten states with Romney's chosen 47% http://www.theamericanconservative.com/where-do-the-47-percent-live/ Or, maybe California can get its fair share of federal tax revenue and let those red states take responsibility for themselves: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/ Pesky, indeed. "democrats are attacting more parasites and chasing away productive citizens." And you are still here? Hmmm Oh wait, one more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-29/california-defies-lower-tax-texas-in-creating-more-jobs.html So let's focus on the GOP pitch: Hispanics are sucking away votes because free stuff, life begins at rape, ... The California GOP will be back in no time.
Andromeda November 26, 2012 at 05:24 PM
Thanks for the victory, Shripathi! You failed to respond to the fact that in a democrat majority California we have 12% of the nation's total population and 33% of the nation's welfare population. Instead you went off on a tangent unrelated to my factual comment. Facts are pesky things. They hang around even if you ignore them or wish them to go away!! :^)
Shripathi Kamath November 26, 2012 at 07:38 PM
Indeed, since the peskiness of the fact that Schwarzenegger (R - Family Values) did not do what Moonbeam has started fixing, the fact that neither companies nor productive citizens (clearly you are not one, or you'd be gone) are leaving California to drive parasites in, and why the red states mooching more than their share are contributing reasons for your out-of-context fact (the topic was demographics, but hey, who cares), I have no choice but to say you're welcome. I guess the next stop for you is Disneyland. Like Romney after his victory lap. Maybe that's how the California GOP will come back. Candidates claiming victory and going to Disneyland. With their pesky facts and all. ROMNEY RYAN PALIN 2016. Smaller, smarter, simpler. Be well, and say hi to Mickey
John Webb November 26, 2012 at 07:51 PM
Shripathi, you are a special jewel. Jerry Brown is the reason the public unions are so strong in this state. He approved public unions in his first term. You mentioned Republicans were not for inclusion in the Southern States in the 1960's. Go back and check it out, the Southern States were Democratic and very anti-anybody not white. This was overcome by Republicans. But the history is not important at this point, now it is the battle over this country becoming Socialists or remaining Capitalistic that is front and center. I know you know that, and are needling us to get everybody ont he same page. Like I say, you are not only special, you are fun to talk to about politics.
Andromeda November 26, 2012 at 08:15 PM
Once again, you failed to respond to the fact that California has 12% of the nation's population and 33% of the nation's welfare population. heh. You know it's true too. Otherwise you would've challenged it. You know that the democrats make a living handing out 'free cheese' for votes. heh. You know the democrats have turned California into a virtual banana republic and bankrupted us. heh. You just don't have to integrity to call a duck a duck. That's all. I am no fan of Arnold. I think he's just another fraud. And I am no fan of the Republican party. I think most are phonies who promote the 'one-party system'. And I belong to neither of the two parties that make up the 'one-party system'. And I supported neither Romney or Obama. So you're barking up the wrong tree. Now why don't you respond directly to the FACT that California has 12% of the nation's population and 33% of the nation's welfare population? I bet you're in favor of those numbers too, aren't ya??? heh.
fact checker November 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM
John Webb, history is always important. Your simplistic line in the sand is not how problems are solved. Labeling people and policies as "socialist" and "capitalist" or "liberal" and "conservative" only muddies the water. You are going to need to find another villain. Public unions are not the problem. They never were. You are going to need to learn to compromise.
John Webb November 26, 2012 at 11:56 PM
Fact Checker. I understand your left leaning, union worshipping, liberal thought processes. It is easy to understand you are not a Capitalist. I will listen with interest as the Democrats lead us for the next four years. My belief is that we are going to face major problems, I will continue to work toward restoring an opportunity for people who want work to get work. I will continue to cheer for those willing to step up, start businesses and offer jobs. In California, Public Unions are indeed a big part of the problem. Big government is a major part of the problem. This will, indeed, be an uphill struggle. But anything worth having is worth working toward. Enjoy your moment, I'm sure you will agree, each of us willl reap the reward we earn. Finally, compromise is when each team offers a solution and then each gives up something to make it happen for the common good. There has not been a budget out of the Democratic Senate for years. The last Obama budget was rejected 100% by his own party. No don't talk about compromise, this is about tearing down this country. On that point, there is no compromise.
Andromeda November 27, 2012 at 12:47 AM
All these scoundrels who support the public unions reap the benefit of pilfering the taxpayers and absconding with our public treasure. All they care about is their own share of the pie which they demand continues to grow. They couldn't care less about the well-being of the greater society and those who are literally forced by fiat law to fund outrageous goverment salaries, benefits and pensions at the peril of personal and government bankrupcies. They can only keep the ponzi scam afloat for so long. Sooner or later the laws of math catches up to their fairy tale fantasy and reality rears it's ugly head. Just give it some time. You'll see what I mean.
Shripathi Kamath November 27, 2012 at 01:11 AM
It is fun, Mr. Webb, when you make a comment, I respond to that, you ignore it, and then jump halfway into another conversation. "Brown" was not a dog whistle for you to jump on Brown's actions, it was to point out that Brown actually did something to address welfare, whereas his predecessor did not. "You mentioned Republicans were not for inclusion in the Southern States in the 1960's. Go back and check it out," I did. I even cited a link showing EXACTLY the votes that were cast. What I noted in it was that you have to go with the people in the party and how they voted. Blaming the Democrats for what Thurmond did in the 60s is perfectly fine, as long as you recognize that the same Thurmond was a Republican in the latter parts of his career and wanted to hang to his ideology. I even tallied those votes so that there would be no confusion. Go back and check that out before you say "Go back and check it out, the Southern States were Democratic and very anti-anybody not white."
fact checker November 27, 2012 at 01:19 AM
John...forget the labeling/name calling. There is always compromise. It's what makes a democracy a democracy. You can't take your marbles and go home just because you lost an election. And you can't refuse to work together. Well you can I guess. But then you will never be part of the solution. No one is tearing down the country. Good grief. Stop the histrionics. You don't really seem interested in working together at all.
fact checker November 27, 2012 at 01:22 AM
Sorry Andromeda. You are going to have to find a new villain as well. Or, instead of looking for villains, you could just say what you want and listen to what the other guy wants. You guys really need to resist the urge to vilify everyone who doesn't agree with you. It is never productive to have civil conversations only with those who share your viewpoint.
Shripathi Kamath November 27, 2012 at 01:32 AM
"I am no fan of Arnold. I think he's just another fraud. And I am no fan of the Republican party." Aw, isn't the hunt for heretics sweet? For someone who professes that, you have ignored the whole topic that Ken was talking about to jump on the GOP talking points. Not to mention the simple fact that basically tests your unfounded assertion. If Arnie (R - Family Values) governed over a state, is he teeny-bit responsible for the affairs of the state, especially when Moonbeam showed that it is possible to reform welfare with the same dems? "You just don't have to integrity to call a duck a duck. That's all." OK, ducking is ducking, and you were ducking. You cannot stay on topic, make wild assertions, forget to read the cited links that go debunking your claims, but claim victory. Here's a hint: When you cite a statistic (like X% of California which is Y% of the population of the country is on welfare) a. You need to source it. (but that's OK, I found one source) b. ... that's it, it is a stat. If you further claim that statistic is caused by Z, then a. You have to show that Z caused it b. You can expect more comments. So integrity-wise you failed there, since you simply argued by making an assertion. Show your work. But back to your California GOP style victory, any new rides at Disneyland, oh not-productive-citizen who would move out if it were a productive one?
Shripathi Kamath November 27, 2012 at 01:41 AM
Excellent, Mr. Webb! I think that is what the California GOP did not say during the last elections. I think you have won over or converted one more mind in factchecker. Might work better if you called him a 47 percenter as well. ROMNEY RYAN 2016, then? Because if one is to really believe what you were saying just the day before the elections (http://bit.ly/TfW8oL): "President Romney will bring to the table a history of leadership in business, in government and with the Olympics. President Romney will have been elected based on his promise to work with both sides of the aisle to get our economy back on track. This election is a clear choice between a proven failure and a leader with a vision. Mitt Romney has a map, has a plan, knows how to navigate and understands the sea in which he finds himself. Leadership will save this country. Vote for change. Vote to give this country a chance to grow again. Vote for Romney." Or do conservatives like yourself not stay true to their beliefs?
Shripathi Kamath November 27, 2012 at 01:49 AM
Yes, only Republicans care about the well-being of the greater society. All 53% of it, at least. All that remains is getting them back in power in California. Which is what Ken was focused on. Perhaps they should ignore "the laws of math" and the growing Hispanic population/changing demographics, because all those people are just oPhone wanting moochers, eh?
MFriedrich November 27, 2012 at 04:51 AM
Maybe a look at the numbers is in order? http://www2.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Private-and-public-sector-jobs1.png Also, public sector jobs in the US as measured as a percent of the US population were last this low back in 1984 when Ronald Reagan was in office. While suggesting that Obama is taking the country in the wrong direction with bigger and bigger government, they seem to be oblivious to the notion that Obama may have inadvertently already brought US public sector employment levels to the Republican's desired destination (1984). Perhaps it's like wishing upon a star that all your dreams come true, only to find out later that your wish was granted by your sworn enemy.

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